Oh my God! Carl is alive.

This was another really good episode for me. It answered a lot of our questions going in. I was right about Dwight being the one that found Rosita. And he wants Negan dead. But sadly it looks like I was wrong about Eugene. I was surprised that Rick's group took the guns from Oceanside. And Sasha's delimna is gutwrenching.

I do think greggy is going for a sleep over with simon and co.  I really have no clue how his story is going to play out but I hate him.  there will be no redemption for greggy!!!

I'm giving this one a 6. Some of the writing was fine, other parts were shaky. But when is it not anymore. Will be rewatching again!

Pros:
•Rick checking with Michonne before she started sniping like a boss. :hearts:
•Cyndie laying out her own grandmother for the greater good.
•Tara flipping off that little girl again.
•Sasha head-butting that jerk-ass. That's our fierce girl.
•SMG's acting. Her suicide speech to Eugene was so heart-wrenching, and the fact that it was SMG acting as Sasha acting as if she wanted to die when she really wanted a weapon to go after Negan (I'm guessing this based on her reaction to getting pills. She seemed gravely disappointed not to have an actual weapon) makes SMG all the more talented. I'm impressed with actors who can pull off their characters' acting. :praise:

Cons (concrete and possible):
•That would-be rapist, Davey. He needed to die, like, yesterday. And so do those guys who were creeping on Enid. Plus his harassing Sasha led to Negan swooping in to save the day. A good point was brought up in the live thread -- we all know Negan is a hypocrite and a rapist via coercion and terror tactics, but the message his killing Davey sends to the audience is that he's not such a bad guy 'cause he's got "ethics." It just tastes like rape apologism and I'm not here for that.
• I'm also not here for a potential army of warrior women who may just sit on the sidelines. Don't introduce Oceanside and show us plenty of the women can fight if their leader isn't going to let them in on the fray. There would be such a sexist undertone to that kind of decision. "We'll allow you to take our weapons, but we won't go to war." That reflects badly on women, painting them as weak or cowardly, and disrespects men too, insinuating that they're the only ones supposed to fight and get killed and that's okay. Oceanside had BETTER fight.
•Eugene. I know a lot of you like(d) him and are probably feeling betrayed. Or maybe not, maybe you haven't given up on him. I don't even care about him at this point. Never even liked him and after tonight I like and care about him even less. Sniveling coward. The only one more practiced at it is
•Gregory. Judith is more capable of killing a walker than this walking dipshit. And he had the audacity to contemplate killing the pregnant woman who ended up saving his life? You don't get lower than that. Snake. When he was getting attacked, I was chanting, "Please die, please die, please die." One day soon, Gregory. SOON.
•Shoehorning Carl and Enid in for literally no reason. Carl was given, like, two lines just to bookend his appearance. "Do you think about the people you kill?" "Yes." What the hell kind of writing is that? What does that reveal? What questions does that stir? Did not like the scene.
•Not the biggest fan of how TF approached Oceanside, but I thought about it and have no idea how they could've done it differently. And they were downright diplomatic with Grandma Moses.
•Negan is a pervert creep in a different way than Davey was. It's subtler and thus slimier. He thrives on it, rolls in his power like a pig in mud. He makes me sick too.
•Toward the beginning, Sasha called Rick Negan's bitch. Whether she meant it or was acting like she wasn't Team Family anymore, I don't know, but Michonne and I do not approve.
•I do like, care about, but don't trust Dwight. I hope it will be SOON for him too. They should've done him wanting him to help TF sooner. Thought he'd capture Rosita ugh

I really liked this episode as well, we've been getting a lot of good ones because as Stealth said, they've stopped doing those bottle episodes following one character/group at a time.

To me this really shows the plotlines weaving together now, we can SEE the stage being set for the war over time. Before we had one episode "Hey you're walking on Terminus trucks" then "Hey, now YOU'RE walking on Terminus tracks." Then suddenly a rushed collective at the end that seems really out of place.

Our group has really got their work cut out for them on this one...Sasha and Eugene in the Sanctuary, Dwight in a cell at ASZ, the debacle w/Oceanside.

SO NERVEWRACKING

I did not take your review as trying to start something, I was simply offering a counterpoint, a different take.