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Post by weallgotit on Mar 27, 2017 3:22:35 GMT
What did you think of Rick's group blasting in and taking Oceanside's guns. I know Tara tried talking to them first. And the group has to have more guns to fight in the war. But I was surprised our group took this action. Especially to leave those women and kids without any of the guns. What you say?
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Post by PepperAnn on Mar 27, 2017 3:24:56 GMT
What did you think of Rick's group blasting in and taking Oceanside's guns. I know Tara tried talking to them first. And the group has to have more guns to fight in the war. But I was surprised our group took this action. Especially to leave those women and kids without any of the guns. What you say? LMAO we started a thread with the same idea. Although yours was more thought out.
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Post by weallgotit on Mar 27, 2017 3:33:22 GMT
What did you think of Rick's group blasting in and taking Oceanside's guns. I know Tara tried talking to them first. And the group has to have more guns to fight in the war. But I was surprised our group took this action. Especially to leave those women and kids without any of the guns. What you say? LMAO we started a thread with the same idea. Although yours was more thought out. Hey I have no issue with deleting mine. As long as we have the conversation I'm just glad to talk about it on any thread.
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Post by Thales Targaryen on Mar 27, 2017 8:46:19 GMT
I was kinda surprised at first, they gave ZERO fucks lol. But in a weird way, they're doing oceanside a favour by getting rid of the saviours. And blonde grandma lady needs to get over herself, she's not the queen and not everyone from her group has the same opinions/ideas as her.
I wonder if that girl is a potential girlfriend for Tara.
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Post by jackson04 on Mar 27, 2017 12:30:51 GMT
I was kinda surprised at first, they gave ZERO fucks lol. But in a weird way, they're doing oceanside a favour by getting rid of the saviours. And blonde grandma lady needs to get over herself, she's not the queen and not everyone from her group has the same opinions/ideas as her. I wonder if that girl is a potential girlfriend for Tara. Please no. What a coincidence it would be for Tara to find 3 girlfriends after the apocalypse. No MORE! Just let them be good friends.
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Post by danae on Mar 27, 2017 13:00:44 GMT
I am torn about this turn of events.
On one hand I understand why Rick has taken the guns. But with all the guns they had for the taking you think they would have/could have left the community with a few to protect themselves. Not just from saviors but also from the threat of walkers. I am not 100% pleased with Rick taking all of their guns.
And then the other side of the coin is that nasty Darwinian side of me coming out - survival of the fittest. Grandma should have seen that she was fighting a losing battle. And then when a large part of her community (and basically all of her "muscle") wanted to join Rick's group she should have just conceded and allow the majority to rule. That part of me says "fuck em" LOL
I am a contradiction of self LMAO
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Post by jackson04 on Mar 27, 2017 13:28:05 GMT
Natania needs to quit with the games. If I were the rest of the Oceanside group, I would just over rule her and say, who wants to go with Rick go, if you don't then stay with the old woman!
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Post by danae on Mar 27, 2017 14:10:50 GMT
Natania needs to quit with the games. If I were the rest of the Oceanside group, I would just over rule her and say, who wants to go with Rick go, if you don't then stay with the old woman! ....and superman out!
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Post by wickedjenИ on Mar 27, 2017 15:02:53 GMT
I'm having much the same dilemma as you Danae!
I get why Rick and co. needed the weapons in general, if they're going to take on the Saviors they've got to have a major arsenal.
But then I was feeling a bit conflicted that the women had nothing to defend themselves with not only against other people but walkers as you stated.
I come back to this for now - even leaving a few weapons with Oceanside means the ones that don't want to join w/the war could retaliate against the group at some later date, especially with how Natania acted.
Also, it would be like, "here, we'll do all the dirty work with not nearly enough weapons and get rid of the Saviors for you, while you sit cushy by the beach and do nothing to help".
I don't know, I keep going back and forth. If Natania had been taken out I think there would've been no question, Cindy would have had them join in the fight. I agree with you jackson04, the women that wanted to join should have just been able to do so. Something about NO ONE going makes me a little nervous...
We haven't heard the last of Natania yet, so we'll see what happens then...
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Post by calliope on Mar 27, 2017 15:37:51 GMT
I'm a little torn by Rick's decision to take all the guns as well. I think there's a few things going on. He could be concerned that if they left a few weapons, the women could come after them in an attempt to get the rest back. It's unlikely that they would succeed, but perhaps 1 or more of TF could be injured or killed in the attempt. Then we'd all complain about how stupid Rick was to leave them some guns. We're a tough crowd!
I also wonder if this is meant to draw another parallel with Negan. There seems to be an emphasis on seeing this conflict from both sides--would we be sympathetic to Negan if we had followed him since the beginning? We all felt dismayed and violated when Negan took all the guns from Alexandria and left TF nothing to defend itself with, Rick has just done the same thing to someone else.
I also think we'll see some of the Oceanside women turn up to fight in S8. I don't think they'll sit back and wait to see what happens, they just needed some time to process.
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Post by danae on Mar 27, 2017 15:43:18 GMT
Do you think their will be a mutiny of sorts (in keeping with the Davy Jones theme LOL)? Maybe Cindy and those who align themselves with her will at some point leave to join Rick? I would not be surprised if it plays out like this
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Post by danae on Mar 27, 2017 15:45:18 GMT
I'm a little torn by Rick's decision to take all the guns as well. I think there's a few things going on. He could be concerned that if they left a few weapons, the women could come after them in an attempt to get the rest back. It's unlikely that they would succeed, but perhaps 1 or more of TF could be injured or killed in the attempt. Then we'd all complain about how stupid Rick was to leave them some guns. We're a tough crowd! I also wonder if this is meant to draw another parallel with Negan. There seems to be an emphasis on seeing this conflict from both sides--would we be sympathetic to Negan if we had followed him since the beginning? We all felt dismayed and violated when Negan took all the guns from Alexandria and left TF nothing to defend itself with, Rick has just done the same thing to someone else.I also think we'll see some of the Oceanside women turn up to fight in S8. I don't think they'll sit back and wait to see what happens, they just needed some time to process. Oh you bring up a great point. I never put the two scenarios together. And we ARE a tough crowd!
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Post by lookitsrick on Mar 27, 2017 16:31:54 GMT
That whole scenario was just stupid. I didn't buy it...but that's just another one for the bag this season.
Yeah, he killed your friends and have you in servitude. But, you're leaving a bunch of women defenseless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 16:42:17 GMT
I keep thinking what if even 3 people with a gun would make a difference with Negan? Even such a small number could take out a bunch of Saviors if the situation was right. I think that is where Rick is coming from. And I do think that Oceanside will end up sending some fighters. They have to figure that if Rick wins, they will want to have contact with the other communities for trade, etc. And I think they are fair enough to realize that it wouldn't be right to not take on the risk to fight, and just reap the benefits.
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Post by weallgotit on Mar 27, 2017 16:45:43 GMT
I'm a little torn by Rick's decision to take all the guns as well. I think there's a few things going on. He could be concerned that if they left a few weapons, the women could come after them in an attempt to get the rest back. It's unlikely that they would succeed, but perhaps 1 or more of TF could be injured or killed in the attempt. Then we'd all complain about how stupid Rick was to leave them some guns. We're a tough crowd! I also wonder if this is meant to draw another parallel with Negan. There seems to be an emphasis on seeing this conflict from both sides--would we be sympathetic to Negan if we had followed him since the beginning? We all felt dismayed and violated when Negan took all the guns from Alexandria and left TF nothing to defend itself with, Rick has just done the same thing to someone else. I also think we'll see some of the Oceanside women turn up to fight in S8. I don't think they'll sit back and wait to see what happens, they just needed some time to process. This is what bothers me about it. I always defend Rick when people try to compare him to The Governor or Negan. But this lets some people lump him in with them. It just does not seem to be his M.O. when dealing with other peaceful groups.
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